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How I've made dupes of identical phones for other uses...

« on: June 25, 2015, 08:34:47 PM »
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    See my latest post for the exact method I am using with success.

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    As posted previously, I found a great deal on these phones locally and grabbed one to make into an MP3 player.
    That worked splendidly (way better than the i-thing it replaced).

    The 1st one had all the fluff ripped right out of it as none is needed for it to just play MP3s.
    It is rooted, has Daishi4u's boot image & TWRP Recovery installed (Sincere Thanks to You, Daishi4u !!).
    I've made a full backup and copied it off as well as copying the int. & ext. SD cards.
    (Likely I've forgotten a few details so I'll look again & post back if needed...)

    I spoke with a friend about this idea and was asked to make another just like it - so I grabbed another cheapie whilst still on sale and would like to try this.
    The 2nd phone is sitting fully charged and as yet unmodified because I am uncertain how to get it just like the 1st.

    My queries, please:
    - How to totally over-write everything on the 2nd phone with the backup of the 1st so that all the fluff is also gone ??
    - Will doing this also copy the rooted state and everything - or do I need to re-do some things no matter what ??

    I will hugely appreciate some clear guidance in this - I am eager to learn how to get these results when desired.

    Thanks for any help !!
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 09:15:05 PM »
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    Disclaimer: I have never done this and am only relaying information that I have heard.  Please wait for someone more experienced in this area before doing anything.  In other words, don't take my word for it.

    Provided these are the exact same phones, from what I understand, you would 1st need to install the same recovery you have on your 1st phone on your 2nd phone and then root the 2nd phone.  Basically do the exact same recovery, boot image, and rooting methods you did for the 1st phone on the 2nd phone. 

    Then you would place your nandroid backup from the 1st phone in the same recovery backup folder on the 2nd phone as it is on your 1st phone.  Then you should be able to restore that nandroid backup through your recovery on the 2nd phone. 

    Again, please do not take my word for this and wait for someone with more expertise than I before doing anything.

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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 09:28:16 PM »
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    I am delighted that this already got a reply - Thank You Lael.
    (Great sig BTW !!)

    Have done a bunch of searching on this rather wide subject and must confess to have found too much info that is either confusing or contradictory; this does not make one feel very confident.

    One somewhat related thread turned up here:
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    Still - the folks here have always been a great & reliable source for correct info & help so I hope very much to get some guidance here.

    I wish to go into this feeling at least somewhat confident of what I am to do.

    Thanks.
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 09:35:34 PM »
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    No problem.  Check out these threads also:

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    And yeah, confidence is a good thing  :)
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 09:05:13 AM »
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    Here's a quote from one of the links I gave you, just in case you didn't see it, that might be helpful about 1st creating a backup on the 2nd phone and then copying contents of backup folder from 1st phone to 2nd phone:



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    If using TWRP after root make a backup to establish a new backup folder with corresponding serial number to match new phone. Open old backup folder and serial # folder to get to actual backup files. Transfer these files to to new serial# folder. 

    This worked great, here's what I did.

    1. Made a quick backup to generate the proper folder structure and the correct directory name needed for my new phone.
    2. Copied the folder that contained the backup I intended to use from my old Hercules S2 to my replacement Hercules S2's TWRP backup directory.
    3.Copied the name of the folder of the backup I made in step 1 to the clipboard.
    4. deleted the folder I created in step 1.
    5. renamed the folder I imported by pasting the name from the clipboard.
    6. restored the backup.
    Done.
    Sweet.
    Thanks.
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    Info from the links Lael provided.

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    I have indeed visited both links you provided Lael - thank you.

    Today I'm studying them in earnest as it was very late last night when I opened them - beyond 'tired time' & not a good time to process important info.

    Another query, please:
    How did you arrange your search terms to narrow things over at XDA ??
    Whenever I try to search on such general terms as Nandroid - backup - restore - etc...I get a bazillion results and have alot of trouble weeding through to find good info.
    You somehow found 2 very excellent threads out of all those bazillions - please share how to do this ??

    Thanks Again !!
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 12:17:46 PM »
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    Here's the info from those threads - pared down a little to simplify - they are much alike:

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    Yes..
    On your sdcard is a folder named nandroid. Inside this folder is a folder named HTXXXXXXXXXXXXX. This is your device id. Inside that folder are folders with dates. These folders hold all of the images from the backup. You will want to take one of these folders and place it into the same folders on your sdcard. The device ID folder has to be your device ID.

    location|| Device ID ||Name of Nandroid (Folder)
    |------||-------------||-------------------|
    /sdcard/HT01FHF02297/BDES-20100412-1746

    You can also change the Name of the Nadroid folder for easir reference, but it can not have spaces

     
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    Edit: IT DOES Work. I did this on a LG G2x. It did not have the device ID I expected., (worried me a little it was the wrong stuff), I assume some phone have this some don't, but as far as I can tell this worked just fine.

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    I just did this over the weekend. I was able to restore a nandroid to my warranty replacement with no problem at all. I expected there to be some issues with some apps giving me a hard time, but everything worked great. The only things I lost were on the internal sdcard (my phone was hard bricked, so I couldn't back that up).

    Like was already said, I had to root the new phone, unlock the bootloader, and install a custom recovery before I could restore the nandroid.
    The above is EXACTLY the answer to what I was wondering - the precursor steps needed !!

    And then - the following seems to complete the picture for me=>
     
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    If using TWRP after root make a backup to establish a new backup folder with corresponding serial number to match new phone. Open old backup folder and serial # folder to get to actual backup files. Transfer these files to to new serial# folder.

    And finally - reply #7 in the abovementioned thread also confirms another success via this same method using TWRP.

    Looks like it is time for me to forge ahead with this.

    Thanks for the great pointers Lael.
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2015, 01:35:13 PM »
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    No problem.  Sounds like you got the steps worked out.  I'm sure if all works out that others can learn from this as well.  Let us know how it all works out.  Good luck and I'll keep my fingers crossed....
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    Re: Info from the links Lael provided.

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    I have indeed visited both links you provided Lael - thank you.

    Today I'm studying them in earnest as it was very late last night when I opened them - beyond 'tired time' & not a good time to process important info.

    Another query, please:
    How did you arrange your search terms to narrow things over at XDA ??
    Whenever I try to search on such general terms as Nandroid - backup - restore - etc...I get a bazillion results and have alot of trouble weeding through to find good info.
    You somehow found 2 very excellent threads out of all those bazillions - please share how to do this ??

    Thanks Again !!

    I actually used the Google Machine (as I like to call it) and didn't search within xda.  The key, I think, is to use questions instead of general terms.  Using general terms seems to, as you said, give you a whole lot of results either not on point or that you have to weed through because those terms can be used in a whole wide variety of discussions not necessarily having anything to do with what you're looking for.  But with questions you are more likely to get results on point, especially with Google since its so intuitive.  Plus, with Google once you start asking a question it will start giving you suggestions, allowing you to choose a phrasing of the question that are known to get good results.  I like to use Google 1st, see what's out there, and then use the same approach within a site if need be.  I imagine using the same question within xda would get you similar results. 

    I think I started with something like "Can i use a nandroid backup from another phone ", or something to that effect.  Then after going through some of the results I think I added "xda" to the end of my query to narrow it to that site because I figured that specific question was probably already asked and answered on that site.  And voila!   
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 10:57:03 AM »
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    OK - all done & seems to have worked just fine.

    Took the new, fully charged Fuel & put it into the cradle for easy work...
    Had to jump through some hoops to get debugging & unknown sources OK'd.

    I use My Phone Explorer to install apps from the desktop as it is the easiest way I've found for sideloading.
    So I got that to connect - then applied SD Fix 1st.

    Then:
    Towelroot - Root Verifier - Busybox - Quick Boot - Flashify.
    All went well thus far so I then flashed Daishi4u's boot image & TWRP Recovery.

    Rebooted into Recovery & made a backup to get it as well as the folder naming correct.
    (Tried backing up the internal SD card too, but it did not work - OK as I already have that data backed up.)

    Copied the stock backup & deleted it - replaced it with the desired backup files.

    Restored the desired backup - copied in the Int. SD card files  - rebooted & checked things.
    All apps appear working - bloat is likewise gone - no problems showed up that I could find.
    It is all the way I want it down to the smallest detail as far as I can tell.

    A great way to make a nice, small stereo system=>
    One of these phones all pared down with only the desired apps - in a dollar store cradle - hooked up to some good, amplified speakers...presto, good tunes all nice & easy !!

    Thanks for the help & pointers.
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

    « Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 11:04:54 AM »
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    Nice job @smallhagrid !!! Very nice job!

    And a very imaginative way to use your phone   8).  Now others can also know how to do it. 

    Happy listening...
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    Please Help a bit more...device ID ??

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    Another idea regarding such cloning - but it leaves me uncertain if it is a good idea - is changing the android device id.

    I would love to get more info about this idea for use in devices which literally can be exactly the same...?

    Seems as if one could simply match the device ID to the stored backup, and restore it a bit easier;
    Am I mistaken in this thought ??

    Titanium Backup is one way to deal with this.

    There is another app that deals with it directly - if interested...
    See the most recent download attachment (in ~4th page) here:
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    Thanks for any pointers in advance !!
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    Haven't had much time to really think about this yet, but a quick thought did pop up in my head, a little unrelated to the manner in dealing with the device ID your talking about.  But I wonder if the whole "matching the device ID" step is a TWRP related thing.  I say that because I use CWM and there doesn't appear to be anything related to a device ID number in its folder. All there is is a "clockworkmod" folder which contains 2 things: a "backup" folder with all the backups and a ".salted_hash" file.   No device ID folder as in TWRP. 

    So it makes me wonder if using CWM instead of TWRP as a recovery might make that step easier, or actually eliminate that step.  I really don't know, just a thought.  And of course if this is the case, using a different recovery probably isn't the "easier" way your looking for, but it just made me curious if using a different recovery might make the device ID matching irrelevant. 

    But I get what you're talking about and in theory it seems like it should work, but honestly I don't really know.  It seems that changing the android device ID, in itself, may not be a problem since every time you flash a new Rom your ID changes.  Except of course for apps that rely on it, but I guess you can use TB to restore it back to the old ID.  But you may be on to something here...

    Maybe when I get some time I'll do a little research myself......



     
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    google what your looking for theres a app out there that does what you want it makes google think you have a different phone.........not really helpful it will only work on certain apps any way.........
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    Hi Daddy366 and thanks.
    I asked here after searching and reading through what few results as applied.

    I really don't need to mess with google or any certain apps - my query is about pinning down a nice easy way to 'clone' identical devices - and in my case just for offline usage as a dedicated audio player minus anything not needed - even google play is removed from what I did with these $9 phones.
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    Hi Lael and thanks again !!
    I chose TWRP for this after seeing how Daishi4u had improved it and after reading comparisons of CWM vs. TWRP;
    It just seemed like a better choice to me.

    Could be the whole device ID thing is a TWRP artifact.
    It is not much trouble to deal with really - I just had that after-thought and wondered if anyone else had tried it or knew if it would work.

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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    I figured you were using TWRP for a reason.  It was more of me thinking to myself, but out-loud.  I only use CWM myself because I'm a little "finger-tapping happy" and using CWM will prevent me from inadvertently tapping something I shouldn't...   :)  Maybe if I can find some cheap Fuels or Centuras I'll do a little experimenting with my CWM theory...

    If you ever do find an easier cloning method, let us know.  I for one am always eager to learn more...
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    Further thoughts...

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    Not to beat a subject into the ground, but I got curious so I did some further reading and here is what I believe to be true:

    I think matching the whole device ID step(s) is irrelevant, in both TWRP and CWM.  The only important step is creating an initial nandroid backup on the new phone to create the proper backup folders and structure.  In TWRP, once you make your initial nandroid backup on the new (2nd) phone all you need to do is move your desired backup from the old phone (the actual backup folder with the date of the backup in its name, not the larger "Device ID" folder) to the corresponding place in the new phone (within the "Device ID" folder).  So basically in your "Device ID" folder in your new phone you would end up with 2 folders, your initial (stock) backup and your desired backup from the old phone.  Then just restore the desired backup.  No need to delete folders, change device ID or rename folders.  Thus I believe that the actual nandroid backup itself is not tied to a certain device ID, but just happens to be located within that "Device ID" folder, if that makes sense...

    Forgive my rambling if this is what you actually did. Sometimes its hard to tell through posts...

    Also, as I understand it, daishu4u's TWRP 2.8.3.0 and above versions allow you to make a backup of just the internal sd card by using the advanced option.  Couldn't you make a backup of your internal sd on your old phone and then move a copy of that to the corresponding place on the new phone and then just restore that instead of copying in the files???

    Its too bad there isn't a way to install a custom recovery on the Fuel without rooting it.  On my Centura you can install CWM without rooting it first.  And if I understand correctly, if you restore a nandroid backup from a phone that is already rooted it will root a non-rooted phone and thus you could skip the whole rooting step as well.  At least I think this is true...

    There's also a way to make a copy of your ROM on your old phone, turn it into a flashable .zip file, and then just flash it on your new phone.

    Of course, I could be wrong about all this.  Anyway, no need to respond, I'm just putting this out there...



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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    I haven't read this whole thread but there is something else you may want to look into, you can make your own .tar.md5 for Odin that can be flashed to identical devices, from an rooted device to an unrooted device, I'm actually working on doing this with my S3 to make a stock rooted tar to root via Odin instead of downgrading with Odin before rooting, right now the ST S3 has to downgrade then root so I'm trying to simplify by putting root in the downgrade .tar to kill two birds with one stone.
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    Pardon me...but ??

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    Perhaps I am mistaken here, but AFAIK=>
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    I haven't read this whole thread but there is something else you may want to look into, you can make your own .tar.md5 for Odin that can be flashed to identical devices, from an rooted device to an unrooted device, I'm actually working on doing this with my S3 to make a stock rooted tar to root via Odin instead of downgrading with Odin before rooting, right now the ST S3 has to downgrade then root so I'm trying to simplify by putting root in the downgrade .tar to kill two birds with one stone.
    Odin is for Samsung devices only - yes ??

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    I think matching the whole device ID step(s) is irrelevant, in both TWRP and CWM.  The only important step is creating an initial nandroid backup on the new phone to create the proper backup folders and structure.  In TWRP, once you make your initial nandroid backup on the new (2nd) phone all you need to do is move your desired backup from the old phone (the actual backup folder with the date of the backup in its name, not the larger "Device ID" folder) to the corresponding place in the new phone (within the "Device ID" folder).  So basically in your "Device ID" folder in your new phone you would end up with 2 folders, your initial (stock) backup and your desired backup from the old phone.  Then just restore the desired backup.  No need to delete folders, change device ID or rename folders.  Thus I believe that the actual nandroid backup itself is not tied to a certain device ID, but just happens to be located within that "Device ID" folder, if that makes sense...

    From what I can tell, TWRP is fussy about the folder naming, needing it to be as expected or it will not 'see' it - but I may be mistaken about this too ?!?

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    Forgive my rambling if this is what you actually did. Sometimes its hard to tell through posts...

    It is truly wonderful how helpful you have been.

    It worked on the 1st attempt at it, but...:
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    Also, as I understand it, daishu4u's TWRP 2.8.3.0 and above versions allow you to make a backup of just the internal sd card by using the advanced option.  Couldn't you make a backup of your internal sd on your old phone and then move a copy of that to the corresponding place on the new phone and then just restore that instead of copying in the files???

    The 2nd time - it just flatly refused to work - seemed related with the backup location & I could not find any way to change it for that function a'tall.

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    No matter how it may be possible to simplify the cloning idea I will still root 1st.

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    There's also a way to make a copy of your ROM on your old phone, turn it into a flashable .zip file, and then just flash it on your new phone.

    Is something that would be uber-uber cool - I would LOVE to do it that way instead if the result could be the same ?!?
    Do please elaborate or maybe you have some pointers to info about this from other sites, please ??

    My Sincerest Thanks to You Lael - you are wonderfully helpful !!
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    Perhaps I am mistaken here, but AFAIK=>
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    I haven't read this whole thread but there is something else you may want to look into, you can make your own .tar.md5 for Odin that can be flashed to identical devices, from an rooted device to an unrooted device, I'm actually working on doing this with my S3 to make a stock rooted tar to root via Odin instead of downgrading with Odin before rooting, right now the ST S3 has to downgrade then root so I'm trying to simplify by putting root in the downgrade .tar to kill two birds with one stone.
    Odin is for Samsung devices only - yes ??

    Thanks.
    Like I said, I didn't read your whole thread and I saw no mention of what device you did this for.
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    Hi Again Lael, and thanks.


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    Is something that would be uber-uber cool - I would LOVE to do it that way instead if the result could be the same ?!?
    Do please elaborate or maybe you have some pointers to info about this from other sites, please ??

    My Sincerest Thanks to You Lael - you are wonderfully helpful !!

    Thank you kindly smallhagrid,

    Can't remember off the top of my head the exact steps.   I'll see if I can "re-find" my sources and get back to you on that.   It won't be any trouble.  Probably later tonight or tomorrow sometime...or maybe some other members can chime in if they know off the top of their head.  But I did come across the idea and it didn't seem to be too complicated, if I remember correctly...
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    Re: Please Help...easiest way to make a dupe ??

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    I haven't read this whole thread but there is something else you may want to look into, you can make your own .tar.md5 for Odin that can be flashed to identical devices, from an rooted device to an unrooted device, I'm actually working on doing this with my S3 to make a stock rooted tar to root via Odin instead of downgrading with Odin before rooting, right now the ST S3 has to downgrade then root so I'm trying to simplify by putting root in the downgrade .tar to kill two birds with one stone.
    Let me know how this goes.  As I told you before, I've been eyeing the S3 and this would come in very handy.  Of course, I'm always "eyeing" phones, just like I'm always "eyeing" computers...and cars (well, not really cars) ....and dogs... :-\  (just to be clear, not replacement dogs, of course, but additional dogs  :)))
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    Is something that would be uber-uber cool - I would LOVE to do it that way instead if the result could be the same ?!?
    Do please elaborate or maybe you have some pointers to info about this from other sites, please ??

    My Sincerest Thanks to You Lael - you are wonderfully helpful !!

    Well, after doing a little more research on this, I've come to the conclusion that, although these seem to be viable alternative methods to do what you want to achieve, I think the way you've done it would be easier, and probably safer. 

    Having said that, once you did go through all the steps to create a flashable .zip, then having that .zip on hand would actually make it easier for future cloning of the same original phone.  Especially if you were going to do it with multiple new phones.  But for a one time deal your method seems better and easier.  But I guess I should let you be the judge of that...

    Anyhow, here are some links/threads about how to go about it.  Some of these deal with creating a flashable .zip from a nandroid backup and some deal with extracting your current rom and making a flashable .zip (sort of similar things).

    Of course, the developers at AA51 may have some better ways to make a flashable .zip from a nandroid or rom, so if any developers out there want to chime in, that would be great...



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